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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  • "Not all cultures are equal, unfortunately"

  Agree 200%. My point still stands. Calling Columbus a discoverer is a Eurocentric idea. He didn't discover shit.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  • "I'd bet if you examine it historically, the Indians there are statues of a lot worse than Columbus in terms of human rights."

  As a Libertarian, I don't care if all towns in the South start erecting statues of David Duke. It's their call. Tearing down statues is a local issue. Anyone has the right to put the statue of their favorite character, as long as it's done with his/her own money. My main point that I tried to make ad nauseam is that Columbus is overrated.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  • "Their civilization lost - I feel bad for people who suffered injustice but not for the culture. What did it produce? Where are the accomplishments? Where are the achievements?"
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  Agree. To the winners belong the spoils and the opportunity to write history. However, a good and objective history course should not be just about the people who won. Even Herodotus, the father of history, 2,500 years ago described in great details the life of the Persians. Kudos to him.

  • "Did he include gay marriage?"

  Touche. Screw MLK day then. I didn't like it that much anyways
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  "It may not be PC, but on average human life improved in North America after Columbus"

  Yes every European settler's human life improved. Unfortunately, the lives of those that were abused and killed by those settlers can't make that claim.

  Believe me, I don't have an issue with history as it unfolded. I am not Indian, nor European. I am a mixture of Middle Eastern, Spaniard and American Indian. And I don't give a f*&k about any ancestry. What troubles me is the Eurocentric narrative of history of the American continent.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  "All this "Columbus was a bad person" crap assumes the Indians were nice to begin with"

  I don't think I have made a single reference to Columbus being bad. It's up to the people in his time and place to make that call (Europe 15th century); same goes for the Indians. All I am saying is that he is overrated in a time where great ideas matter more than navigation skills.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

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  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  • "Why [MLK]?"

  Because it's not just a matter of deeds. It's intentions that matter even more. Columbus was not interested in spreading freedom and equality for all. Such idea didn't exist yet in his time. MLK advocated and defended precisely that, freedom and equality for all.

  • "He was a Republican"

  David Duke and Richard Spencer are Republicans too. Therefore what
  

  • "His deeds were related to a US segment of the population"

  Yes, a segment of the population that has been screwed since time immemorial. Columbus affected the entire world, mainly the segment of the population was already at the top of the heap and open the doors to that group to intensify the use of black slaves. Columbus helped indirectly with the abuse and exploitation of the segment of the population that MLK helped in their final quest for true freedom and equality.
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  MLK, hands down. I wouldn't be very enthusiastic about creating a holyday for him though. Kids need to stay in school a little longer. Government employees too need to try a little harder to earn those fat pensions that are bankrupting every government in the world.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  "I view Columbus in the same light as Lewis and Clark"

  I guess we agree after all.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  "maybe 'a brave and skilful explorer' deserves a monument?"

  Why not, a little one. But Columbus Day? That's a whole different story that needs revising.
  
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  Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

  if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

  how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

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  never a jw: You seem to be arguing for statues of perfect people or, no statues

  No Simon. I just think that Columbus is overrated. He comes from an era when might was right. And he certainly increase the might of many European nations. Today I rather see statues of people who have made great contributions to humanity. Take Alexander Fleming for example. His discovery deserves far more credit than Columbus' and I yet have to see statues of Fleming or anyone celebrating Fleming's day.